Okay Ford boys, check out any dyno sheets most high horse and high torque numbers are from a Cummins or a D-Max its been proven that if you want the power thats what you need to go with, just like in the last issue who had the most hp and torque numbers, a cummins, 945hp from that Fummins and 845hp with 1,434 from that 01 Cummins. Numbers don't lie Ford boys, look at how fast D'Amico's bowtie was a few issues back, I don't think a Ford even came close to the numbers the Chevy's and Dodge's were cranking out, and as for the loud and annoying part I think the 7.3 was just as loud more annoying and slower with the worse mileage, you were lucky to see 16 I was getting 22+ with my 01 and I got buddies with the Duramax getting 20+ in town.
 P.S. Ford has twin turbo's now.  

The cummins and the 7.3 are both awesome, and the duramax is a decent motor, but u you cant drive just the motor now can you. The chevys and gmc's are sissy trucks, they have the nicest interiors and most comfortable seats but who cares! what kinda heavy duty truck has an IFS front end? In a one week period i mght be on the road haulin a 30 ft cow trailer or beatin the snot out of my truck int the mud, and the WHOLE truck has to hold up, not just the motor. Im a ford/powerstroke guy that owns a dodge/cummins, but honestly all the motors can hold their own, but can the truck? the answer is no, not with a feavy diesel motor up front. Dont even get me started on the 6.0 powerstroke, it should be disowned, ive heard nothin but horror stories from ny dad and hes a diesel mechanic.  

Talk all you want about high horsepower and mods. But then you are not comparing the brands. An honest comparison is all stock. That is how they produce they're product. Not for who's will mod the most. Stock for stock ford is always number 1. (see dieselpower issue spring05,volume1 issue 1) As to why ford keeps changing engines. Technology. Dodge can sit back with it's 6cylinder low reving stump pulling tractor technology while ford and GM keep on the cutting edge. The GM and ford's higher reving more usable power bands attract alot more drivers. And they both will walk away from a cummins. And at the same time they will outpull it too. You don't buy a truck for a strong engine ,suspect tranny, and a rattle box body. You ride in the paint shaker dodge, I'll always laugh as I fly by.  

The reason that Dodge stays with the 5.9 is because it WORKS! Ford had to change engines to meet emissions, and then change again to make emissions and TRY to make it more durable. We will see if it really is. You can't say that GM was on the ball with technology because it was not that long ago that the best they could do was the 6.5. If you call that engine "technologically advanced" you need to keep up with the times. As far as the rest of the driveline, I see just as many Fords in the tranny shop for TC problems as Dodges for tranny problems.  

I,ve pulled up and down the east coast with a 99 7.3 with edge pulling 15500lbs and have not had a chevy or dodge beat me up any hills. they have had lighter loads too. I should include fords 6.0 too. Either their affraid to put the pedal down or what. Dodge diifently wins the drags. Chevy should be asshamed of it's self for being so dumb all of those years their diesels were a joke. Chevy had the market on duallys and blew it. Chevys got a good tranny now, but their 4wds suck whiss my 6.0 pulled like my 7.3  

caveman666:
Talk all you want about high horsepower and mods. But then you are not comparing the brands. An honest comparison is all stock. That is how they produce they're product. Not for who's will mod the most. Stock for stock ford is always number 1. (see dieselpower issue spring05,volume1 issue 1) As to why ford keeps changing engines. Technology. Dodge can sit back with it's 6cylinder low reving stump pulling tractor technology while ford and GM keep on the cutting edge. The GM and ford's higher reving more usable power bands attract alot more drivers. And they both will walk away from a cummins. And at the same time they will outpull it too. You don't buy a truck for a strong engine ,suspect tranny, and a rattle box body. You ride in the paint shaker dodge, I'll always laugh as I fly by.

Excuse me? I cannot stand some peoples ignorance... Dodge's tractor technology? If the cummins is such old technology then tell me why the motor has stayed basically unchanged? Except for the fuel delivery system the cummins has remained the same forever. And yet the Dodge Cummins is just as powerful and twice as reliable as any other truck on the road. And I don't wanna hear well my dads ford lasted forever, or my friends chevy runs good cause they don't have the history. Show me a powerstroke that has over 500k and pulls regularly that hasn't had to rebuild it.. cause I haven't seen one yet.  

i am a die hard ford fan right with you power stroke man i would rather be strokin than a cummin any day, cause all your fun ends when you start cummin:P and spotted ape is a dumb*** for even thinking that the 6 liter came with twin turbos. and to respond about his comment with the breakage problems about the 6 liter, while that is true, i have confidence in the engineers behind the blue oval, the WILL bring ford back on top with the new 6.4 liter and the only reason every one buys a *** cummins is because every company and there dog has a performance hop up for the stupid thing,and the main reson behind that is because the engine is so SMALL that there is tons of room in there for twin turbos and such.  

by the way ford owns cummins,think about that next time you start that piece up, oh and what on gods green is "dem ol DOODS"?  

Actually I have heard from multiple sources that Ford does not own Cummins. I could be wrong, but i think that they sold all stock that they had in the company. Go to www.fordcummins.com.  

Yea, I don't believe that 10% share is considered ownership. Know I believe that the Navistar powerstroke is owned by International becuase you can by the same parts from International and they are cheaper than buying from Ford. Ford just buys the Cummins engine from Cummins to put in thier medium-duty trucks. The Cummins is a Case engine I believe. Here is what that website said.

Ford does not own any portion of Cummins Inc.. Currently, the Dodge/Cummins and the Ford/Navistar agreements are set for the next several years, and no announcements have been published that we are aware of, by either company, to change engine suppliers.  We would not expect GM to use Cummins diesels in their pickups, since they are affiliated with Detroit Diesel, which is one of Cummins major competitors.

Ford does NOT own any portion of Cummins. In 1994, Ford purchased 10% share of Cummins stock and currently uses Cummins B5.9 and C8.3 engines in their F-series trucks, larger than F550.  Ford uses the Navistar Power Stroke engine in their pickups, that are F550 or under.

However, as of January 1, 1997, Cummins purchased back all of the original shares from Ford, therefore Ford no longer has any direct financial connections with Cummins. However, Ford still purchases some Cummins engines and are considered a very good Cummins customer.  

young gun:
i am a die hard ford fan right with you power stroke man i would rather be strokin than a cummin any day, cause all your fun ends when you start cummin:P and spotted ape is a dumb*** for even thinking that the 6 liter came with twin turbos. and to respond about his comment with the breakage problems about the 6 liter, while that is true, i have confidence in the engineers behind the blue oval, the WILL bring ford back on top with the new 6.4 liter and the only reason every one buys a *** cummins is because every company and there dog has a performance hop up for the stupid thing,and the main reson behind that is because the engine is so SMALL that there is tons of room in there for twin turbos and such.

The engine is so small that there is tons of room in there for twin turbo's and such? I love it! Ha Ha Ha... Are you upset that there is no way in hell your Ford could keep the heads on with twins? You Ford guys first try rippin on the cummins cause its old... Now its small too? THE DODGE CUMMINS HAS BEEN DOING IT BETTER, FOR LONGER, WITH LESS. 90% of the pull trucks and drag trucks are Dodge Cummins trucks!! You can't argue with the facts. I mean really I keep waitin to see a fast powerstroke or duramax. I go to alot of competitions and Dodge is always on top. There is no arguement with that. There are a couple fast duramax's here and there but I have yet to see a Ford break 500hp.Here is the challenge to all you talkers, show us a sight, or a link with some big dyno numbers or fast times or something.. ANYTHING to back up all your talk.  

I park my Dodge outside my house and go to sleep, knowing my truck will not burn down my house. I am able to use the cruise control, something it seems that many Ford owners cannot do. Maybe it matters to some who can pull up a hill faster. For me the question is who can pull over the longest period of time, and not have their truck burn down their house.
I hope some of you Ford people do not talk the way you spell.  

Now that's funny!  

Ford dosent own Cummins dumb@** they owned a small stock in the company. If they owned it they wouldn't switch motors every year, they would run that small little motor that makes more power then that powerchoke but its not hard to make a motor with more power than that 6.0 that wont start.  

Yeah, there are no Fords making that with out a Cummins in it.