Torque Dog:
When it comes to diesel you have to admit that the inline six is a superior design, I don't care who makes it. just look at the facts; an inline six has seven main bearings versus five for a v-8, and they are almost twice as big! The inline six is naturally balanced because of the 153624 fire order. The stroke is longer on an inline six than a comparable v-8, and that is where torque comes from. A v-8 can get rpm's easier, but an inline six will have the low end grunt that a diesel is made for.

10-4 my I6 brother!!!!!!!  

If that The-MAX guy knew what you were talking about what you said might be somewhat true, but i think that is just the fact that you are a typical Bowtie *** like the rest. The Duramax is the biggest pile of dog *** there is and a joke of a diesel engine. Chevrolet doesnt even build the motors, they just manufacturer them, Izuzu builds those piles of crap. GM just puts there name on the front of it. The 6.0 blew away the Duramax all the 03- 06 in HP and Torque. Now the new 6.4 does have twin-turbos and it does make more HP and Torque then the Duramax it always has and always will. I dont know what web sites your looking on or wut pot your smoking but the Powerstroke is better than the Duramax will ever try to be.  

None of them make the diesels they but in the trucks and the Powerstroke finally broke the 600 mark for torque so what pot are you smoking.  

Powerchokin ford there is no excuse for ignorance on your part  

01 cumminapart guy what are you talking about. find some facts. all three came out with over 640lbs of torque in the past 3 years from when ford made the switch form 7.3 to 6.0. all three had 325 hp stock in the last 3 years. all three will keep up with each other just stock. but when you put upgrades in the ford comes in first then chevy then dodge. put a trailer on them stock the ford blows them both away casue of the bigger turbo. put performance parts in them and a trailer on them the all do a better but stll cant keep up with ford in the higher gears. the other 2 will be infront till the ford catches 4th gear and from there to 100miles and hour the ford will beat the h e l l out of them. you guyses dodges and chevys will win in a race from 0-20 no doubt in my mind but in a race from 0-90 the ford will beat the s h i t out of them. cause ford has a bigger turbo. thats why there is so much turbo lag. im talking from 2003.5 to 2007.5. o and powerstrokin guy you have to admit anyone who drives and pulls with diesel is better then anyone who drives gas.  

My Facts- JULY 06 issue (DieselPower), 06 F-350 (570 at 2,000 rpm,SAE is factory spec)  

I thought I'd pass on a story that was told to me yesterday. I ran into my Ford parts guy(no I didn't hurt him! but he did tell me some great 6.0 stories, but I'll save those for another day) I asked him if this Navastar dispute has affected their ability to order 6.4's. He said it hadn't yet but they are well aware of the situation and are concerned. Then he tells me the big rumour around the Ford guys is that Ford was taking another run at buying Cummins just incase the 6.4 deal is toast. I told him I'd heard that false rumour before and he said this is new and it came from higher up. Has anybody else heard about this?  

I hope that rumor is false. I'd hate to see the cummapart in the ford. I'd consider it if they'd ball up and make a more useable v-8. I'm sure everything will work out with Navistar.  

heres what ford and navistar should do ..... screw the v8 design and drop the DT466E into a f-350 THEN you will have a truck that wont fall apart or have injector problems  

no you are wrong ford needs to quit dickin around and drop a cat in them with dual turbos. ford is just being nice to dodge and chevy casue once they """hopefully""" put cat in there pickups you dodge and chevy lovers will go crawling back to ford cause you will want the "Big Yellow" in your pickups. guarentee there will be no competition if ford puts a cat in there pickups.  

Have you seen the latest diesel power mag the one with the new tundra with a cat bobcat on a trailer or the pic. at the construction site with a cat. in the bed or the pic. of the cat sponsered stock car at the toyota booth at that car show with cantaford loosing money I dont think your gonna see a cat/ford  

Twin turbo Cat in a Ford I'm gettin wood just thinkin about it! I don't think it will happen though. It's looking like Ford and Navastar are working it out in court. I read an artical on it the other day I will reprint it if I can find it.  

Here's that artical, hope it answers some of our questions. Engine supply for hot pickup remains in doubt
Automotive News / March 5, 2007
Richard Truett

A festering dispute between Ford Motor Co. and International Truck and
Engine Corp. is threatening to stall the launch of Ford's most profitable
vehicle, the Super Duty pickup. Late last week, a Michigan judge issued a
temporary order forcing International to resume production of the Super
Duty's 6.4-liter diesel engine. In return, the judge ordered Ford to pay
full price for the engine, rather than demand reimbursement for hefty
warranty costs on the previous version.

But the Super Duty pickup is not out of trouble yet. Another court hearing
on the matter is scheduled for Wednesday, March 7, in Pontiac, Mich. The
acrimony couldn't come at a worse time. The 2008 Super Duty, which began
arriving at dealerships in early February, is off to a flying start and is
one of Ford's few hot products. Prices range from $23,000 to more than
$60,000, and the truck often sells at full sticker with no incentives.
Diesels account for about 75 percent of the mix. The two companies are
trying to negotiate a settlement. But at a time when Ford's turnaround hangs
in the balance, this legal battle threatens a vehicle that delivers up to
$17,000 in gross profits per unit, says Art Spinella of CNW Marketing
Research Inc., of Bandon, Ore.

The dispute boiled over on Feb. 23, when International halted engine
shipments rather than compensate Ford for those disputed warranty costs. The
weeklong stoppage cost Ford a precious 4,000 engines as the company tried to
fill 70,000 dealer orders for the truck. On Feb. 23, Ford tried to ease
dealers' concerns with a memo stating that the dispute with International
would be settled before Ford ran out of diesel engines and had to curtail
production at its Kentucky Truck plant in Louisville, where all its Super
Duty trucks are built.

But less than a week later, it had to backtrack. Super Duty production was
trimmed Thursday, March 1, and suspended entirely Friday. Starting today,
March 5, the plant will run on one shift, down from three, for an indefinite
period. Sanch would not say how many units of production were lost or when
full production will resume.

Ford's diesel drama
1983
   * Ford offers 6.9-liter diesel V-8 built by International as an option
on the F-100.
1987
   * The 6.9-liter grows to 7.3 liters.
2003
   * F-series Super Duty features new 6.0-liter engine with hydraulic fuel
injection.
   * Chronic problems with fuel injectors and turbochargers lead Ford to
buy back about 500 trucks.
2003-06
   * Ford's warranty costs for the troubled diesel engines continue to
rise.
January 2007
   * Ford sues International over warranty costs and withholds payments.
Early February
   * Ford launches a new Super Duty with a high-tech International
6.4-liter V-8.
Late February
   * International halts shipments of the new engine.'A huge sucking hole'

Arizona dealer Randy Fuller is worried. Fuller, who runs Pinetop Motors in
rural Lakeside, Ariz., says a shortage of Super Duty trucks will create "a
huge sucking hole" in his business. "I'm rural," says Fuller. "Everything I
do is truck, and 70 percent is diesel. The stoppage has got me concerned.
Ford can't afford it, and neither can the dealers."

The Super Duty is one of the few Fords that consumers are standing in line
to buy. Fuller sold his only 2008 Super Duty about two weeks ago, the same
afternoon it was delivered to the store. Some are on the way, but he doesn't
know when they'll arrive. Fuller sells about 200 heavy-duty Ford pickups per
year.

Fuller doesn't want to lose his customers at a time when rival truck-makers
are rolling out new products. Toyota has launched a redesigned full-sized
Tundra. General Motors is shipping a new heavy-duty truck to dealers now,
and Dodge dealers will get redesigned heavy-duty pickups this month.

Cash cow
To fend off this onslaught, Ford launched an expensive Super Duty ad
campaign that debuted during the Super Bowl. Ford is doing everything it can
to protect its cash cow.

According to the Automotive News Data Center, Ford has built about 38,500
Super Dutys since production began in December. Ford offers two gasoline
engines in the Super Duty: a 5.4-liter V-8 or a 6.8-liter V-10. But the
gasoline engines get poorer fuel economy than the diesel and can't tow as
much. That's why three out of four buyers choose the diesel.

The diesel's popularity has upped the ante on the simmering warranty dispute
between Ford and International. On Jan. 11, Ford sued International to
recover warranty costs on the 6.0-liter diesel used in heavy-duty pickups
from 2002 through 2007.

Costly lemon
In its lawsuit, Ford said the old diesel suffered malfunctions with the fuel
system, turbocharger and engine management software. Some early engines made
in 2002 and 2003 were so bad, Ford repurchased at least 500 trucks from
disgruntled consumers. Ford has never disclosed the precise amount of those
warranty claims, but losses may have totaled hundreds of millions of
dollars.

To recoup that money, Ford demanded price cuts on International's new
6.4-liter diesel engine. In response, International stopped shipping the
powerful turbodiesel, and Ford quickly went to court. Spinella predicts the
two sides will settle the dispute in 30 days or less. But International
doesn't appear to be wavering. Says spokesman Roy Wiley: "The bottom line is
we have to be paid."  

well whatever the cat motor is in i will buy one as soon as i see one. dont give a *** what it is it could be a little honda civic. i dont care i will buy whatever the cat motors are in. the cat in my semi has dealt me no prblems. and can run almost 120mph with 3.55 rearends if it had 3.28 it would go about 130 but not pull hills as good. has did that all its life ford 970000miles and havent had to put but maybe 15000 in the motor woth all those miles. bet if they put one in pickups that they will deal out no prblems to. i hope they come out soon casue i am looking forward to it.  

you guys know the reason for the dual turbos  on cat's and the new ford's right ? it is for emissions on cat's its called ACERT