ENZO6.6:
Your right. I understand your a tech at a gm/chevy dealer. Why did you decide to work there? Im curious. I share your appreciation of a good inline 6 motor. Like I said in my first reply that is the motor of choice. However you being a tech guy, Would you of made the reccomendation to buy an automatic dodge? (pre 6speed) Also on the new transmission it is beefier but still not proven.

however- If you could get me a 4500 dodge with the aisin(toyota/hino division) transmission and exhaust brake. I might make a change. I am not married to any truck I want what is proving to be the best for my needs.

I chose to work there because i am getting killer pay and the Ford dealer and Dodge dealers are both *** holes in this town. I like where i work i used to own a Duramax so i know how to mod them and how to fix some of there problems the non GM way but more of my own innovations. Of coarse i have to get permission from the service manager and the customer before i preform it that way. I recommend Dodge because i have been preblem free for the most part with them and out her in the fields of Wyo on our ranch we beat trucks to hell. Dodges seem to hold up the best auto or manual they just seem to take the abuse alot better than the rest. Just my thoughts.  

international may have built the powerstroke but it wasn't built to there specs.  they built it to ford specs.  and as for parts theres enough of the engines out there that finding parts several years down the line wont be a problem.  and with international having as big of a market share as they do in the medium class trucks i don't forsee them going under.  If chrysler has already stated their going to use cummins new v8 diesel engines in the there trucks, kinda hard to beleive they'd deviate from that.  

Onan- Like the generator?
Is the new cummins v8 something in joint agreement with navistar? If it is. I would buy the i6 now.

from the cummins website."As part of the long-term agreement, beginning in 2010, Cummins will be Navistar’s exclusive supplier for 15- and16-liter big bore diesel engines (Cummins ISX) for Navistar’s International® trucks in North America.

As previously announced, Cummins will meet the 2010 EPA requirements on its heavy-duty engines without aftertreatment for oxides of nitrogen (NOx)."  

e2- what was the recall on the LMM engines regarding the reprogram? Is it something to do with fuel economy?  I have yet to bring mine into the shop.  

yea onan like the generator.  I went through international dealer training and now i'm about to finsh up cummins engines and onan generator dealer training.  Cummins built the two v8 diesels for dodge.  the smaller of the two is going to be available in the 1500 while the larger will be in the 2500 & 3500's as a standard engine i beleive.  they will still offer the 6.7 but u'll just have to pay more for it.  kinda like choosing between the gas and diesel engines right now.  As far as internationl and cummins goes,truckers no longer will have the option of a detroit, cat or any other engine besides the cummins ISX.  with one exception being internationals new big bore engine.  Also in 2010 all cummins on road engines will be common rail and the ISX will have be a 14L, 15L, & 16L.  Cat is rumered to be workin with international on building a truck though.  

I thought the smaller of the 2 new Cummis/Dodge diesels was a V-6... a 4 point something liter, then the 5.6L V-8 and the 6.7L I-6. Maybe I read something wrong somewhere.  

ENZO6.6:
e2- what was the recall on the LMM engines regarding the reprogram? Is it something to do with fuel economy?  I have yet to bring mine into the shop.

Yea yours is prolly for fuel mileage but some others just need to be programmed from the get go. We have had several trucks that are just programmed to run for 24hrs for some stupid reason and they end up coming back with a ton of problems. The recall is supposed to be for the fuel mileage tho the trucks are going into regen to quickly consuming too much fuel.  

onantech08:
yea onan like the generator.  I went through international dealer training and now i'm about to finsh up cummins engines and onan generator dealer training.  Cummins built the two v8 diesels for dodge.  the smaller of the two is going to be available in the 1500 while the larger will be in the 2500 & 3500's as a standard engine i beleive.  they will still offer the 6.7 but u'll just have to pay more for it.  kinda like choosing between the gas and diesel engines right now.  As far as internationl and cummins goes,truckers no longer will have the option of a detroit, cat or any other engine besides the cummins ISX.  with one exception being internationals new big bore engine.  Also in 2010 all cummins on road engines will be common rail and the ISX will have be a 14L, 15L, & 16L.  Cat is rumered to be workin with international on building a truck though.

I have an Onan in my raptor 5th wheel. Its flawless.

No CAT option? What is going on with CAT? Are you refering to one specific line of trucks? Or all big over the road trucks? The new V8s that cummins r producing is that a joint venture? Or an entirely new business plan? I can see where it would make sense. The market place is looking for compact efficient diesels for multiple lines of trucks. This is a very popular option in the rest of the world. Most dsel manu- produce some v engine product due to its compact size. Thanks. Its good chatting w/u.  

ENZO6.6:
e2- what was the recall on the LMM engines regarding the reprogram? Is it something to do with fuel economy?  I have yet to bring mine into the shop.

E2theRock2:
Yea yours is prolly for fuel mileage but some others just need to be programmed from the get go. We have had several trucks that are just programmed to run for 24hrs for some stupid reason and they end up coming back with a ton of problems. The recall is supposed to be for the fuel mileage tho the trucks are going into regen to quickly consuming too much fuel.

E2- have you had any issues with the general tires that are on the 3500 line of trucks? I have had 2 flats in 4 months. both massive sidewall blowouts. when I went to the dealer I was told that they no longer make that tire/tread pattern. It was suspicious considering the truck was new. Any recalls as far as you know?  

I havent heard anything here. We dont get many duallies in here and the ones we do get a different tires put on them when they get here.  

THE RECALL FOR THE LMM WAS A NO START PROB, AT LEAST THATS WHAT THEY SAID, IVE NEVER SEEN ONE COME THROUGH MY DEALER THAT DIDNT START, I THINK IT WAS TO F U C K OVER EVERYONE THAT HAS A TUNER. WHEN YOU DO THE RECALL IT WIPES OUT THE TUNER AND IT HAS TO BE SENT IN TO GET RE-DONE IT SUCKS I HAD TO DO IT WITH MY RBP  

the reason cat is getting out of making engines for the big over the road trucks is due to all the emissions crap that is going on them, so they are just sticking to building engines for their own equipment. and from what i heard the new cummins v8 is not a joint venture with navistar.  

08_D-MAX:
THE RECALL FOR THE LMM WAS A NO START PROB, AT LEAST THATS WHAT THEY SAID, IVE NEVER SEEN ONE COME THROUGH MY DEALER THAT DIDNT START, I THINK IT WAS TO F U C K OVER EVERYONE THAT HAS A TUNER. WHEN YOU DO THE RECALL IT WIPES OUT THE TUNER AND IT HAS TO BE SENT IN TO GET RE-DONE IT SUCKS I HAD TO DO IT WITH MY RBP

08 dmax can you call me 720-231-0851 I want to know about your upgrades...Thanks in advance.  

Cat will no longer be producing any on road engines after 2010 due to their stuborness more than anything.  They could put egr on their engines like everyone else, but for some reason they don't.  International is only using cummins engines and there is no joint venture between the two as far as production goes.  Cummins has actually had v8's in the past.  I beleive Peterbuilt and kenworth are also going to be dropping the ISX and Paccar will begin to make their own engines also.  

Cummins is a great engine-but no doubt they put a 300,000 mile engine in a 100,000 mile truck.I really have nothing against Duramax,they come with the best stock transmissions,they're pretty cheap to make competitive,throw a programmer,intake,exhaust on one and they are pretty quick,and lets all be honest the interior and ride is alot better than dodge,but if thats what your basing your opinion on go buy a cadillac,cuz if youve rode in one with a heavy load you can feel how cheesy the front end is,the IFS in a chevy/gmc just cant touch the reliability and will never be as stout as a solid front axle,which is what you want in a 3/4,1ton diesel.Which truck fits your needs best you have to decide that. As far as pulling and engine reliability,I've rodeo'd and lived on a ranch most of my life and in a sport/lifestyle where pulling heavy loads are an everyday part of thing,dodges were on the scene and leading the pack far before having a diesel was cool,it was just the truck that got the job done the best.Both companies have come a long way,but if you really want to get down to it dodge has been keeping up with/if not leading the competition (everyone has their own opinion) with 6 cylinders when everyone else needed 8 to get the job done. -but thats just my opinion,take it however you want.