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Can A Single Tire Axle Hual As Much As A Dually Axle???

 
5.9cumminsforever 5.9cumminsforever
New User | Posts: 2 | Joined: 03/10
Posted: 03/27/10
08:41 PM

My question is, if I put on a dually or super single conversion kit on to a one ton single tire axle could it tow/hual as much as a one ton dually axle stright from the factory??? Could you tow/haul just as much with a F-350 one ton single tire axle with a conversion (dually/super single) kit with out damaging the axle it self. Or could you only use a F-350 with duals on it stright from the factory??? I guess what I am tring to say is, is there a difference between a one ton single tire axle and a one ton dually axle???  

MarineOne MarineOne
Addict | Posts: 2044 | Joined: 10/08
Posted: 03/28/10
12:24 AM

There are three things that really separate the SRW (single rear wheel) axles from the DRW (dual rear wheel) axles:

Brake components (shoes, drums, calipers)
Gear ratio
Suspension (spring ratings, number of leaves/leaf rating)


The gearing on a DRW will generally be a 4.10 ratio because these trucks aren't made to go fast, they're made to haul heavy.

The brakes will generally be larger because they need to have more stopping power due to the increased load handling.

The suspension will be upgraded because a large percentage of dually owners will run 5th wheels or gooseneck hitches and the additional bed weight needs the upgrades.


If you can do it, find a repo or other good source for the parts you need and swap them with yours because you will also need the bed off the dually since it has the fenders built in already.



Kris  

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5.9cumminsforever 5.9cumminsforever
New User | Posts: 2 | Joined: 03/10
Posted: 03/28/10
06:59 AM

Thanks for the info.

Drew.  

01 24 valve 01 24 valve
Enthusiast | Posts: 317 | Joined: 11/09
Posted: 03/30/10
10:53 AM

i would say yes if you have full floating axle in the back for a single rear wheel but a dually will hold the road way better if you got a heavy load on and its just easier on everything in the truck if it is a dually.  
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MarineOne MarineOne
Addict | Posts: 2044 | Joined: 10/08
Posted: 03/30/10
10:37 PM

'92 12Valve .....

What you're suggesting is not only unsafe, but it's also illegal in many states and provinces in Canada.  Even if you had a floating axle, a SRW will not carry or haul the same load as a DRW because they both have different GVWR and GCWR.

Examples for GVWR:
Ram 1500 is 6025 pounds.
Ram 2500 is 8800 pounds.
Ram 3500 is 10100 pounds.

Examples for GCWR:
Ram 1500 is 8000 pounds.
Ram 2500 is 15000 pounds.
Ram 3500 is 17000 pounds.



Thank you for proving you have no clue about what you're posting on.



Kris  

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theSLEEPER. theSLEEPER.
Guru | Posts: 1748 | Joined: 04/08
Posted: 03/31/10
10:00 AM

But the Cummins engine makes the load lighter because it has anti-gravity powers.  
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Enthusiast | Posts: 317 | Joined: 11/09
Posted: 03/31/10
05:22 PM

actually i do know what im talking about there buddy full floating axles have all the weight on the bearing not the axle which allows it to be stronger and haul heavier loads and f y i my truck is only a 3/4 ton and i can pull 16000 pounds and theres nothing illegal about that so maybe your the one who should watch whats coming out of your mouth.  
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theSLEEPER. theSLEEPER.
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Posted: 03/31/10
09:30 PM

You lose. I'm starting to feel sorry for you.


Have you ever heard this,

"A wise old owl lived in an oak.

The more he saw the less he spoke.

The less he spoke the more he heard.

Why can't we all be like that wise old bird?".

Read it, think about it, and put it into effect.  
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MarineOne MarineOne
Addict | Posts: 2044 | Joined: 10/08
Posted: 03/31/10
10:01 PM

Please don't try to put words in my mouth.  I said it was unsafe and illegal, not that you couldn't do it.

If I setup my 3500 QCLB for a gooseneck I could probably pull 20,000 to 25,000 (some on here have gone as high as 30,000) with it as long as my pin weight isn't over the limit, but then it puts the truck over the GCWR and makes it illegal.

And if you're running a 2500, then the 16,000 you're telling me you're pulling is just 1,000 pounds over the GCWR and is indeed illegal ..... but then those numbers are for a 2009 truck, not a 1992 truck.  I suspect you'll be way over your LEGAL limit with 16,000 pounds.


Strike two, thanks for playing.


Kris  

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theSLEEPER. theSLEEPER.
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Posted: 04/01/10
01:23 PM

What happens after strike 3?? Laugh  
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Enthusiast | Posts: 317 | Joined: 11/09
Posted: 04/01/10
04:31 PM

well where i live as long as your insured for that much wieght and your brakes can take the weight you can pull as much as you want. because my family has a 30 foot gooseneck and ive had 16 round bales on it you know it must make you feel pretty good to be beeking a 16 year old BUT i have a question my ass end hangs down pretty low with that much wieght and i havent gotten around to getting overload springs i have the overload leaf but i was wondering marineone where on the internet would be a good place to get some  
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MarineOne MarineOne
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Posted: 04/02/10
05:25 AM

Look, I'm not trying to beat you up online.  I'm trying to make it clear that there are two ways to do something: the "legal" way, and the "not legal" way.  With you being 16, you probably won't know the laws .... so I went looking.

Using the weight calculator from: http://www.trans.gov.ab.ca:81/docType281/production/Truck.htm

Steering axle: 1
Drive axle: 1
Tire size: 265mm (standard size for trucks)
Tire capacity: 3000 pounds (roughly load range "E")

Maximum allowable gross weight: 10600 kg (23320 pounds)
Minimum registered weight: 5300 kg (11660 pounds)

With a truck that weights roughly 8,000 pounds, pulling 16,000 pounds in hay bales, you're over your legal limit by 800 pounds.  There are, however, provisions from this website I'm pulling the data from that also need to be addressed:

1.) This function calculates the maximum allowable weights as per the Commercial Vehicle Dimension and Weight Regulation of the Traffic Safety Act. Where the information shown on this page is not in agreement with the regulation, the regulation shall prevail.

2.) This function does not take into consideration the "gross axle weight rating" (GAWR) or the "gross vehicle weight rating" (GVWR) of the vehicle. The owner/operator of the vehicle should ensure that the weight carried is within the manufacturer's rated capacity specifications.

3.) The "Rated tire capacity" is the rated capacity of one tire, based on either single or dual application, as stamped on the sidewall of the tire.


Where you're wrong at is #2 because the GCWR for your truck is 17,000 pounds with a manual transmission, 12,000 with the A518 tranny, or 14,000 with the A-518 and the under bed "super cooler".  This means pulling 16,000 pounds of hay, plus your vehicles weight (roughly 8,000 pounds) you're about 7,000 pounds OVER your max GCWR with a manual tranny.  If you're running the A-518 automatic you're now 12,000 pounds over your GVWR.



Now for your question ....

Technically you're using the wrong vehicle to haul that weight, even with overload springs.  You might want to look into air bags but even then you're still WAY overloaded and aren't going to fix that issue.



Kris  

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pbrbullhauler pbrbullhauler
Enthusiast | Posts: 556 | Joined: 03/09
Posted: 04/02/10
07:22 AM

i can tell you right now if you excede the weight limit of your tires you will get an overload ticket from the dot. doesnt mattedr what you are tagged for or your gvw. i deal with the dot everyday with my business which is trucking. we have gotten overwieght tickets for being over axle but yet under our gross.dont matter if the truck can do it only if its legal and you dont screw something up  

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Enthusiast | Posts: 317 | Joined: 11/09
Posted: 04/13/10
04:43 PM

i may be over my limit but it dont matter i bought a cummins to do the job and it does so im happy  
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theSLEEPER. theSLEEPER.
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Posted: 04/13/10
08:12 PM

You bought the WRONG Cummins for the job...  
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