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12V VE to P7100 performance conversion

 
cummins02 cummins02
New User | Posts: 9 | Joined: 09/08
Posted: 03/26/11
09:14 AM

Looking at converting a 1993 VE Cummins to a P7100.  The plan is to do a performance build on this engine also.  Im not very familiar with the VE Engines, what do I need to know about them, are they virtually the same block and head as a 94-98 12V?  Are the rods as stout?  What are the differences on the bottom end? Same cam, tappets, and pushrods?  

White_Lightning White_Lightning
Guru | Posts: 937 | Joined: 07/09
Posted: 03/26/11
11:23 PM

What are you going to do with it? Race? Pull? HP goal? Transmission type? As far as swapping on a P7100, you'll need the gear case, injector lines, and get the injectors set to P-pump pop pressure for whatever size you end up going with.  
Logan
1995 12 valve Cummins 6.0L, 5 speed, 4x4, 600hp Valair Clutch. Air Dog 4GHD lift pump, no fuel plate, 2095 rack plug, 024 DV's, pump benched at 440cc, SDX 5x.014 injectors, Hamilton 181/210 cam and HD pushrods, Stage 2 Port job, 5 angle valve job, 60lb valve springs, ARP studs, O-ringed head, .020" over head gasket, coated pistons, balanced bottom end, Fluidampr, PDI exhaust manifold, homemade intake manifold, 63/68/0.80 over 80/92/1.32 compound turbos.

cummins02 cummins02
New User | Posts: 9 | Joined: 09/08
Posted: 03/26/11
11:43 PM

Gonna be doing a puller, probably around the 900 HP mark, so that i can still use the OEM style driveline, NV4500 trans  

White_Lightning White_Lightning
Guru | Posts: 937 | Joined: 07/09
Posted: 03/27/11
11:19 AM

What class of puller? It will make a difference on the setup.  
Logan
1995 12 valve Cummins 6.0L, 5 speed, 4x4, 600hp Valair Clutch. Air Dog 4GHD lift pump, no fuel plate, 2095 rack plug, 024 DV's, pump benched at 440cc, SDX 5x.014 injectors, Hamilton 181/210 cam and HD pushrods, Stage 2 Port job, 5 angle valve job, 60lb valve springs, ARP studs, O-ringed head, .020" over head gasket, coated pistons, balanced bottom end, Fluidampr, PDI exhaust manifold, homemade intake manifold, 63/68/0.80 over 80/92/1.32 compound turbos.

cummins02 cummins02
New User | Posts: 9 | Joined: 09/08
Posted: 03/27/11
12:08 PM

2.8 class  

White_Lightning White_Lightning
Guru | Posts: 937 | Joined: 07/09
Posted: 03/28/11
10:59 AM

Build the engine with marine style pistons (so you have the bigger piston bowl), get them coated (I recommend Swain Tech Coating) HD con rods, ARP rod cap bolts, main studs, balanced bottom end, call Zach Hamilton and tell him what you're doing and he'll make you a cam fit to your needs. Call Engineered Diesel and have them put you together a turbo, most likely it'll be a variant of an S471. You'll want a 13mm injection pump set up with 5K governor springs (I would call Scheid Diesel). Call SDX about a set of injectors, I'm not sure exactly what size you'd need but they will point you in the right direction. I'd bet they'll be in the 5x.022 or 5x.025 range. Get the intake manifold milled off so you can port and polish both sides of the head, then build a runner plenum for it and get a port matched exhaust manifold with a T-4 flange like what PDI has. Hamilton will also get you set up with pushrods, valve springs, and retainers. You'll need a 250GPH or better lift pump. That'd give you a pretty good start.  
Logan
1995 12 valve Cummins 6.0L, 5 speed, 4x4, 600hp Valair Clutch. Air Dog 4GHD lift pump, no fuel plate, 2095 rack plug, 024 DV's, pump benched at 440cc, SDX 5x.014 injectors, Hamilton 181/210 cam and HD pushrods, Stage 2 Port job, 5 angle valve job, 60lb valve springs, ARP studs, O-ringed head, .020" over head gasket, coated pistons, balanced bottom end, Fluidampr, PDI exhaust manifold, homemade intake manifold, 63/68/0.80 over 80/92/1.32 compound turbos.

cummins02 cummins02
New User | Posts: 9 | Joined: 09/08
Posted: 03/28/11
09:43 PM

Thanks, we were thinking about going to an Arias forged piston.  Im waiting for a reply from Hamilton Cams and Colt Cams.  Probably going to be a billet cam, from what i understand the block has to be machined and use a special bushing for them??  

White_Lightning White_Lightning
Guru | Posts: 937 | Joined: 07/09
Posted: 03/29/11
10:41 AM

I see, yes Arias are good units. Hamilton's cams are all ground new, the cores are stronger because they use a thicker center and it's cast with a radius to the lobes. They also use wider lobes to reduce pressure and extend life. I didn't have to use and special bushing for my cam.  
Logan
1995 12 valve Cummins 6.0L, 5 speed, 4x4, 600hp Valair Clutch. Air Dog 4GHD lift pump, no fuel plate, 2095 rack plug, 024 DV's, pump benched at 440cc, SDX 5x.014 injectors, Hamilton 181/210 cam and HD pushrods, Stage 2 Port job, 5 angle valve job, 60lb valve springs, ARP studs, O-ringed head, .020" over head gasket, coated pistons, balanced bottom end, Fluidampr, PDI exhaust manifold, homemade intake manifold, 63/68/0.80 over 80/92/1.32 compound turbos.

cummins02 cummins02
New User | Posts: 9 | Joined: 09/08
Posted: 03/29/11
06:57 PM

Icon QuoteWhite_Lightning:
I see, yes Arias are good units. Hamilton's cams are all ground new, the cores are stronger because they use a thicker center and it's cast with a radius to the lobes. They also use wider lobes to reduce pressure and extend life. I didn't have to use and special bushing for my cam.

right on, what you running for power and RPM?  

White_Lightning White_Lightning
Guru | Posts: 937 | Joined: 07/09
Posted: 03/30/11
11:48 AM

Haven't been on a dyno since my build, but I'm thinking it's in the 550rwhp range. I have a 4K GSK, but the engine has never seen over 3500RPM. I don't have the air to support it yet.  
Logan
1995 12 valve Cummins 6.0L, 5 speed, 4x4, 600hp Valair Clutch. Air Dog 4GHD lift pump, no fuel plate, 2095 rack plug, 024 DV's, pump benched at 440cc, SDX 5x.014 injectors, Hamilton 181/210 cam and HD pushrods, Stage 2 Port job, 5 angle valve job, 60lb valve springs, ARP studs, O-ringed head, .020" over head gasket, coated pistons, balanced bottom end, Fluidampr, PDI exhaust manifold, homemade intake manifold, 63/68/0.80 over 80/92/1.32 compound turbos.